Starling Tribune – Season 5 Edition – What We Leave Behind (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast)
The Official Arrow Podcast of the Gonna Geek Network
Episode: “What We Leave Behind” [Season 5 Episode 9]
Air Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016
Director: Antonio Negret
2x Legends of Tomorrow | 3x Arrow | 1x The Flash | 2x The 100
Writers: Wendy Mericle
Showrunner for Arrow | 19x Arrow
19x Arrow | 2x Legends of Tomorrow | 1x Hart of Dixie
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89
02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94
03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79
04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87
05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61
06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95
07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86
08 Invasion 30-Nov-16 3.55
09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16 1.94
10 Who Are You TBD
11 Second Chances TBD
12 Bratva TBD
13 Spectre Of The Gun TBD
Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters
- What was the overall theme for this episode / What was the link to the ep. name
- Actions from the past coming back to haunt you
- Prometheus is the son of someone Ollie as The Hood killed
- We have two legacies we leave behind – the good and the bad
- Actions from the past coming back to haunt you
- Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
- Prometheus attacks Curtis
- Curtis gets some hits in. Not many
- Prometheus and Ollie – round one
- Prometheus has skills; does cool special flip (Ollie recognizes it; he learned it from a woman in Russia)
- Wild Dog shoots weapon out of Prometheus’s hand, but Artemis shoots his guns
- Prometheus disappears with Artemis
- Prometheus and Ollie – round two
- Action is cut with flashback from 4 years ago
- Prometheus has dead bodies posed just like how Ollie killed them
- Its super creepy and really helps to amp up the tension
- Fight up escalator (flashback)
- Prometheus able to escape; makes Billy Malone look and sound like him
- Similar to the Joker’s hostages in The Dark Knight
- Prometheus attacks Curtis
- Flashbacks: Share your thoughts
- 4 years ago – Ollie as The Hood
- Killing people; The List
- Diggle knows Ollie is The Hood
- Ollie after Justin Claybourne, who manufactured weaponized TB in order to sell medicine for it
- Diggle warns Ollie that his actions could have unintended consequences
- Red pen! Felicity is awkward and cute when she helps Ollie find address (1852)
- 4 years ago – Ollie as The Hood
- Has he learned after all this time?
- Brings team to first fight w/Prometheus
- Goes alone when find Prometheus again – why?
- Being confronted with past makes him act like that again – he kills Prometheus instead of putting an arrow in his knee
- Does he have to kill Prometheus?
- Confesses to team the truth
- First instinct is to push everyone away
- The expression on his face when he sees HER in the Arrowcave
- Active in flashback
- Leads group hug at end when Ollie wants to push everyone away
- Is called by Lyla to safe house
- Is taken in by soldiers
- Feels as though the Dominators dream renewed her purpose
- Tells Ollie that we leave good and bad legacies
- Suits up as Speedy!
- Is this a onetime thing after the reveal of Artemis’ betrayal?
- Awkwardly introduces Billy to friends; suggest double date w/Ollie
- Tells Billy not to investigate Prometheus; Billy does anyway because that’s his job
- Billy sends her photo of baby – is looping her in on what he finds
- Blames Prometheus for Billy’s death
- Quentin Lance
- Not in episode
- Has lied to husband Paul – doing a start up with Felicity
- Tells hubby the truth – Paul gives ultimatum
- Realizes being Mr. Terrific gives him purpose
- Paul leaves b/c can’t see him go off every night and risk life
- Wild Dog
- “I don’t like rules or listening”
- Does the opposite Ollie instructs (maybe Ollie pulls an “opposite day” move)
- Is he a father?
- Gives Rene, Rory, and Diggle stockings with their code names
- Says guys are her only family
- Betrays Oliver because city needs protecting from him
- Makes Flashpoint joke
- Figures out how to sequence DNA
- D.A. Adrian Chase
- Really wants Prometheus dealt with
- Puts kill order on Prometheus
- Susan Williams
- Ollie’s date to the Christmas party
- Drinks Russian vodka
- Russian writing on the bottle is centered on screen, is this a hint?
- Tells Ollie shutting people out is not a good thing to do
- Has sexytimes with Ollie
- Is this due to Barry and Flashpoint?
- Or maybe due to Legends of Tomorrow where Sara revealed Damian’s future so now he is travelling time to avert it.
- Not in episode
- Leads? – A whole bunch
- At least 30 years old
- Justin Claybourne’s son – ????
- Seems too easy if this is the case
- Son not publicly known – mentioned in divorce papers
- Has studied Oliver for four years
- How does he(?) know that Ollie killed his father and studied fighting in Russia?
- When did he(?) find out all of this about Ollie?
- Is it Claybourne’s son? Could it be someone else who just knows about what Ollie has done when he was The Hood and was working off of The List?
- Tied to The List
- He sounds like Michael Dorn to Chris (reddit seems to agree)
- Michelle’s List O’Suspects: (I’m keeping this active until the mask comes off)
- Tommy Merlyn – Not likely now. In Ollie’s Dementor vision as someone proud of Ollie
- New: Susan Williams – if the Claybourne son thing is a red herring; then it could be her; she is old enough, drinks Russian vodka, and has finally confirmed Ollie was in Russia. Maybe her real name isn’t SW
- Robert Queen – too old? But is the author of The List. In Ollie’s Dementor vision as someone proud of Ollie.
- New: It’s actually Claybourne’s son
- Adrian Chase (but more likely to become Vigilante)
- Billy Malone – dead
- Helena Bertinelli (but I would rather see her as either Huntress or head of the Bertinelli family)
- Isabel Rochev
- Mckenna Hall
- Shado – not Claybourne’s child and not really connected to The List
- Slade Wilson – not tied to The List
- Talia al Ghul (see this week’s news)
- New: Quentin Lance (likely a red herring) (in rehab)
- Roy – too young and in Ollie’s Dementor vision as someone proud of Ollie; also, not really tied to The List
- Viktor (SP’s add) – too old
CURRENT EPISODE DC EASTER EGGS & POP CULTURE REFERENCES
Season Episode “What We Leave Behind” (Date: 08 Dec 2016)
- JUDAS CONTRACT – A young, female team member who is recruited into Team Arrow and then seduced to the dark side and ends up becoming a sleeper agent for the villain is pretty much exactly the plot to the classic New Teen Titans storyline The Judas Contract.
- OLIVER’S CHRISTMAS MOVIES – According to Stephen Amell’s recent Facebook Live video, he shares Oliver’s favorite Christmas movie (Die Hard) and the “Its true!” he delivered after saying so in the episode was actually a Stephen Amell-ism, not Oliver Queen’s.
His second choice, It’s a Wonderful Life, is an interesting one considering…”I was very lucky to be able to rewatch that movie last week.”…which of course is not a thing that happened. He was subjected to a kind of custom-made It’s a Wonderful Life, where the Dominators showed him a whole different timeline and how his life and the lives of those around him might be different if he had made different decisions.
- BIG BELLY BURGER – The mention is because the to-go bag for the DC Universe’s favorite burger joint was the focus of a shot that hung on for a few seconds AND transitioned from the present day to the flashbacks. That’s a lot of camera time for a fast food container.
- CLAYBOURNE – While Justin Claybourne’s name did in fact appear on The List, we never saw him dealt with in season 1 and all of the scenes here that were calling back to the first year of the series were entirely new material. This, of course, opens up the question of whether we might see some more such stories in flashbacks for future episodes…!
- ALMOST EVERY WEDNESDAY – “People who are supposed to be dead turn out to be alive almost every Wednesday.” Weirdly enough never during the summer or between mid-December and late January, though.
- THE HOOD – Oliver’s season 1 costume, the kill list, the sets, the mission, his arguments with Diggle…this is what it was like when he was The Hood and not Green Arrow.
- THE RED PEN – The red pen is a nice callback to some of Felicity Smoak’s earliest appearances, and that makes it worth breaking out to talk separately about “IT Girl Felicity,” back when Oliver was still making up outlandish stories to get her help instead of just coming clean with her.
- AK DESMOND PHARMACEUTICAL – It seems worth noting, since Dr. Alchemy is such a big part of The Flash this season, that A.K. Desmond Pharmaceutical could plausibly be considered a wink-and-a-nod reference to Albert Desmond, a chemist who would go on to become Dr. Alchemy in the comics. Unlikely, but possible!
- MAKE THE CITY GREAT AGAIN – Obviously in his final moments, when Claybourne is trying to appeal to Oliver’s ideas about “saving the city,” he says that businesses like his can “make the city great again,” which in the context of the last years’ worth of public life feels suspiciously like a reference to Donald Trump’s “make America great again” campaign slogan.
- ARROW FANS HAVE ALREADY SEEN SEASON 5’S FINAL SCENE — OR HAVE THEY? (Date: 05 Dec 2016)
Now that “Arrow” has reached season five and has no plans of slowing down, the plan has changed slightly. As Guggenheim said, “Spoiler alert. That’s (Ollie’s rescue from Lian Yu) going to end up being the Season 5 finale.” Season five’s flashback story arc will still end by replaying the first moments of the series, but there’s now much more show to come after that moment in season six and beyond. But just because fans saw how season five will end five years ago doesn’t mean there aren’t surprises still ahead at the end of this season. Guggenheim added that the creators have “some incredibly clear plans for what we want to do in the Season 5 finale,” but that they always leave wiggle room for surprises and cliffhangers.
- Arrow’s David Ramsey: “I Like The Idea Of Felicity Not Defining Herself Through Her Relationship With A Man” (Date: 04 Dec 2016)
During the Arrow panel at the CCXP convention in Brazil, David Ramsey was asked to chime in on Olicity. “For me, I like the idea of Felicity not defining herself through her relationship with a man,” Ramsey told the crowd. “I like the idea that she can be her own person, and she can be strong and feminine, own the company, without pining over men — Oliver or any other man.”
- Stephen Amell Addresses The Big Twist In Arrow’s Midseason Finale (Date: 07 Dec 2016)
In a Facebook video, Stephen Amell discussed the return of Laurel. Amell said that tonight’s script was the first in a long time that legitimately shocked him when he turned the page to that reveal. He also said that he was skeptical at first of the idea of bringing another character back from the dead, but that they’re now several episodes down the line in production and that he thinks the story that comes out of it is a good one.
GENERAL DC TV NEWS
- Four-Night DC Crossover Gives The CW Its Most-Watched Week In Six Years (Date: 06 Dec 2016)
The four-night DC superhero crossover event is certainly paying off big for the CW, pulling in 2.3 million viewers for its most-watched week in six years. For the week of November 28, the CW was up 20% in total viewers versus the same week last year, up 15% in adults 18-49 (0.7 vs. 0.6) and up 16% in adults 18-34 (0.6 vs. 0.5), according to Nielsen stats. Supergirl had its most-watched (3.5M) episode of the season, and matched its season premiere ratings in both adults 18-34 (0.9/4) and adults 18-49 (1.1/4). The Flash saw its most-watched episode (4.15M) in almost two years (12/9/14) and its highest rated episode of the season. Arrow delivered the series’ most watched (3.55M) and highest-rated episode since last season’s crossover episode (12/2/15). And DC’s Legends of Tomorrow had its most-watched episode ever (3.39M) and its highest-rated episode ever in adults 18-34 (1.0/5).
- MISTER MXYZPTLK TO MATERIALIZE ON SUPERGIRL (Date: 02 Dec 2016)
com reports DC Comics supervillain Mister Mxyzptlk will bring his impish antics to the CW drama for two episodes in 2017.Created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Ira Yarborough for 1944’s “Superman” #30, Mister Mxyzptlk is a mischievous imp from the fifth dimension who delights in tormenting the Man of Steel. More fun-loving prankster than straightforward villain, Mxyzptlk’s fifth-dimensional technology appears as magic to three-dimensional beings; the limits of his powers are vast and unknown. Famously, he can only be stopped and returned to his home dimension by tricking him into saying his name backward (“Kltpzyxm”).
- How “Supergirl” And A Super-Duper Gay Comic Book Clerk Helped Save A Girl’s Life (Date: 04 Dec 2016)
Mary, a “super-duper gay” employee at a comic book shop in Indiana, shared an encounter she had with a young woman. The girl said she was suicidal because she’s gay, and she didn’t realize gay women could be happy until she saw the Alex Danvers coming out arc on Supergirl. To help the girl out through the hiatus, the employees suggested Batwoman: Elegy, Midnighter, and Gotham Central. The girl didn’t have money for all of the titles, so the employee bought them for her.
- Mark Hamill and John Wesley Shipp On the Biggest Surprises Reprising Their Roles on The Flash (Date: 06 Dec 2016)
Interesting fact: Shipp starred in The Flash in 1990 and 1991, with Hamill as a recurring villain. While Hamill was filming Star Wars: The Force Awakens, a new TV version of The Flash was coming together. Three years later, against all odds, he and the producers have found a way for Hamill to make an appearance as James Jesse in each midseason finale so far.
- Supergirl Showrunners wanted to play with Shippers (Date: 3 Dec 2016)
Producer Andrew Kreisberg revealed after a screening (h/t EW) that multiple moments with Kara were ultimately cut from the three episodes, including Sara asking out the Girl of Steel (and perhaps foreshadowing a future with Alex):
There was a little exchange between Sara [Caity Lotz] and Kara [Melissa Benoist] that I really liked — I don’t think we even filmed it — where Sara says, ‘Hey, do you want to get a drink when this is all over?’ And Kara says, ‘I think you wanna meet my sister.’ Just the idea of starting the Sara/Alex [Chyler Leigh] shippers going …
- Fallout from the Superhero Crossover (Date: 3 Dec 2016)
WILL SUPERGIRL VISIT EARTH-1 AGAIN? | Now that Kara has a way to communicate and travel across Earths, crossovers are certainly “easier” to execute, Kreisberg says. “The next time we do it, it means it doesn’t necessarily have to be because Oliver and Barry need Kara; it could be because Kara needs them.” However, the EP notes that nothing is in the works, seeing as how “we just barely survived this one. So we’re not too concerned with what we’re going to try to do next year. But it just gives us another way to come at a story.”
DOES THE WORLD KNOW ETs EXIST? | A line was cut for time, in which the G-man known as “Glasses” says, “‘Cover up what? A dozen weather satellites falling out of orbit?’” Guggenheim explains: “People see the ships, but no one ever really saw the Dominators. The way we’re sort of playing it going forward is that Glasses is good at his job, and when he says he’s going to cover it up, he’s going to cover it up.” Adds Kreisberg: “There’s a mention of it in The Flash, that the threat of aliens brought out all the crazies. But we’re sort of Doctor Who-ing it.”
GREEN ARROW COMICS & TOY NEWS
- X-MEN: GOLD AND BLUE ROSTERS AND CREATIVE TEAMS REVEALED (Date: 28 Nov 2016)
X-Men: Gold will be written by Marc Guggenheim with art by Ardian Syaf. The phase-shifting Kitty Pryde at long-last will become an X-Men team leader, whose squad includes Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Old Man Logan, and Rachel Grey. “Kitty is the right person to bring the X-Men into the future, to herald in the next era of the X-Men,” Guggenheim told us in a phone interview. “We are post the war with the Inhumans. The X-Men are sort of at a crossroads. They’re at a point where they are trying to decide, is there a future for the X-Men? And Kitty is very much of the mindset that there is a future for the X-Men and it’s a bright future.” Guggenheim is best known as co-showrunner and writer on The CW’s Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow and previously worked on the adjectiveless X-Men book in 2014 featuring an all-female cast of characters.
Promo for Next Week: Episode – “Who Are You” (Date: xx month year)
Episode: “Who Are You?” [Season 5 Episode 10]
Air Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017
Summary: According to the clip on the app: Diggle is back in jail, but this time he vows to face the charges. Oliver and the team are looking for the mother of Claybourne’s child. Also, they have to ease Laurel back into present-day life.
Director: Gregory Smith
Writers: Ben Sokolowski and Brian Ford Sullivan
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