The Starling Tribune Reporters SP, Chris and Michelle review the finale Arrow episode “Fadeout.” In this episode the reporters discuss all the goodness of the Arrow finale episode that was 8 years in the making, the final spectacular 3 minute non-stop fight scene, the changes Oliver made for those he loved and the entirety of Star City, the conclusions of character stories as well as what’s next for several characters in the Arrowverse, and how Emily Bett Rickard’s return to the show turned out. The reporters also reflect on the series as a whole and it’s place in the Arrowverse and the history of comicbook TV. The reporters also give their favorite memories of the Starling Tribune podcast, hear some great feedback form GonnaGeek Network owner Stephen and give a nod to all of the former Starling Tribune hosts.

Episode: “Fadeout” [Season 8 Episode 10] Air Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2020

Director: James Bamford https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051466/?ref_=tt_ov_dr Arrow credits: Uncredited stunt coordinator and fight coordinator for the pilot Fight choreographer – 7x (started 2012) Stunt coordinator – 23x Fight coordinator – 38x Supervising stunt coordinator – 21x Directing – 17x (Brotherhood, 1st)

Writers: Beth Schwartz https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2584087/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4 Arrow credits: Current showrunner Written by: 32x – 1st: Vendetta (S1E8, 2012) Executive story editor – 23x Story by – 2x Teleplay by – 1x Co-producer – 23x (2015 – 2016) Co-executive producer – 46x (2016- 2018) Executive producer – 32x (2018 – 2020)

Marc Guggenheim https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5 Arrow credits: Developed by – 170 episodes Written by – 21x Teleplay – 19x Story by – 7x Executive producer – 126x (2012 – 2020) Consulting producer – 30x (2018 – 2020)

Arrow premiered October 10, 2012 and ran for 170 episodes.

Promo: https://www.cbr.com/green-arrow-and-the-canaries-first-promo/

Arrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84 02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77 03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76 04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62 05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74 06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79 07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83 08 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Four 14-Jan-20 1.41 09 Green Arrow And The Canaries 21-Jan-20 0.92 10 Fadeout 28-Jan-20 0.73 Arrow: Hitting The Bullseye Special 28-Jan-20 0.66

Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 00 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five 14-Jan-20 1.35 01 Meet The Legeends 21-Jan-20 0.72

Supergirl

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26 02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97 03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92 04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95 05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78 06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8 07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79 08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67 10 The Bottle Episode 19-Jan-20 0.84 11 Back From The Future – Part One 0.81

The Flash

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62 02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27 03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38 04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48 05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19 06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29 07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17 08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71

Black Lightning

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16 02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63 03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell’s Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61 04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn’s Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52 05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71 06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven’s Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62 07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson’s Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65 08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60 09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90 10 The Book of Markovia: Chapter One: Blessings and Curses Reborn 20-Jan-20 0.54 11 The Book of Markovia: Chapter Two: Lynn’s Addiction 27-Jan-20 0.66

Batwoman

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86 02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45 03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22 04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29 05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16 06 I’ll Be Judge, I’ll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09 07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01 08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71 10 How Queer Everything Is Today! 19-Jan-20 0.79 11 An Un-Birthday Present 26-Jan-2020 0.67

Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters • What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name? o The series finale • Fight scenes and stunts o Getting to Bryne – 2012 ? This is the fight filmed for the finale ? Oliver doing all the things against a lot of bad dudes ? First room: 3 cuts – 1 (shot guy in stairwell), 2 (slide guy’s head in water), backward tracking (slams guy into pipe, dent), top of stairwell, pause, shoot guy anyway, cut to next room ? Second room: 4 cuts – 1 (shooting up to guy at top of stairs), 2 (guys shoots, pan over, guy into pipe, cut), 3 (flip guy over pipes, jump over pipes, cut), run out and cut to 3rd room ? Third room: 1(slam guy into wall, cut to guy on ground), 2 (flip guy over, cut to another angle), 3 (cut during climb up stairs), slo mo surround; overhead shot, angle up to see Oliver’s face, gas, arrow up; shoots guys on way up ? Zip to next roof; slo mo hero landing (nice butt shot); gets shot, knocks weapon out of Byrne’s hand ? Time of sequence: 3 minutes • They’re alive! o Moira Queen o Tommy Merlyn o Emiko Queen o Quentin Lance o Rory Regan – Ragman • Where are they now? o Malcolm Merlyn o Artemis o Huntress o Walter • Documentary o Nice callback to S7 (Episode 150) o Why is everyone talking about Crisis????? • Flashbacks o 2012 ? Tarallo ? Diggle not in field yet ? John Bryne – Diggle talks him into sending him to jail; ends up kidnapping William b/c prison ruined him (guess Oliver forgot to include prison reform in the reboot) ? Diggle talks to Oliver about losing himself; if Oliver listened, then was he all grimdark and brooding over the next 7 seasons? ? o Robert killing himself o • Oliver Queen / Green Arrow / Spectre o V/O summarizing 8 seasons and Crisis o All of 8 arrows o I made an amazing Star City. The other cities? On your own, LOL o Father’s death shaped him o Power comes from the hips, Diggle o Mom’s office; first saw her before he came back • Felicity o Doesn’t want to meet Mia at first o Archer scanning protocol on computer o Arrives after news of William’s kidnapping o Hackity hackity hack! o Scene w/Felicity and Monitor in the future o Where they first met, his office, red pen • John Diggle / Spartan o One month since crisis; mission far from over o Salmon ladder w/green shirt on o Called team together to help get William o “Suit up” o Lyla – Oliver put our family back together o Mission is over; cleaned out Bunker o Moving to Metropolis o Did they adopt Connor? o Speech at funeral; inspired us to be heroes; I was his brother; life will go on; Oliver’s mission lives on; universe is bigger than we can imagine o Meteor; box w/green glow; Lantern • Thea Queen o Oliver saves Moira, but her death inspired her to train with Malcolm. How/why did she become Speedy? o Agrees to marry Roy; does Mia have any cousins? • Roy Harper o Arm!!!! o • Laurel / Black Siren o The Mark of Four tattoo o Oliver’s sacrifice didn’t bring back your Laurel, Quentin; Quentin – there was nothing about you that needed to be fixed o • Dinah Drake / Black Canary o Plans to move to Metropolis – being police chief of a safe city is boring. Really? o Why didn’t we see her disappear? • Rene Ramirez / Wild Dog o Running for mayor • Quentin Lance o Current mayor o Speech at statue; blamed Oliver for a lot of things; hunted and persucted him; Oliver is a reminder that anyone can change o • Tommy o We buried a bunch of mementos o Why does he know about Crisis?????? • Curtis • Rory / Ragman o Clears room; “my way is scarier” o Took time for rags to work again; been doing the hero thing; says Rene is most like Oliver • Anatoly • William o Kidnapped o Does he remember meeting the future version of his sister as he grows up? • Mia Queen o Episode takes place after GAatC; she goes out as Green Arrow to rescue William. Why isn’t she asked about mysterious person as Green Arrow 20 years ago and why haven’t seen them since? o Lets Byrne live o Shows young William parts of bow o Introduces herself to Felicity • Sara Lance o Gets Mia to attend funeral o • Barry Allen o At funeral • Kara Danvers o At funeral • Talia and Nyssa al Ghul o Kudos to SP for willing this into existence o Marriage was father’s joke – Nyssa o Nyssa calls Sara her beloved

Overall feelings about the finale • Chris • SP o It was great closure to the series and great fan service ? Overlook the inadequacies / breaks in continuity o Oliver Queen’s, Laurel and Sara Lantz’s 13 year journey complete o Stephen’s finale on Arrow was really episode 7 o Too bad they couldn’t do a 5 year flashback for old time’s sake. o Salmon ladder o Mark of 4 o • Michelle

Favorite Moments from the series / What the series meant to you

• Chris • SP o Allowed me to follow every moment, EVERY episode in the Arrowverse since 2012 o Crossovers were my favorite – I love world building o It wasn’t perfect o Outlasted Marvel TV, and grew ? Simpsons and Cosby Show o Amazing villains and characters ? Malcolm Merlyn (John Barrowman) ? China White (Kelly Hu) ? Deadshot (Michael Rowe) ? Edward Fyers (Sebastian Dunn) ? The Huntress (Jessica De Gouw) ? Frank Bertinelli (Jeffrey Nordling) ? Theodore Graynor (Ben Browder) ? Billy Wintergreen (Jeffrey C. Robinson) ? The Dodger (James Callis) ? Mr. Blank (J. August Richards) ? Deathstroke (Manu Bennett) ? Isabel Rochev (Summer Glau) ? Shrapnel (Sean Maher) ? Bronze Tiger (Michael Jai White) ? Nyssa al Ghul (Katrina Law) ? Cupid (Amy Gumenick) ? Ra’s al Ghul (Matt Nable) ? Damien Darhk (Neal McDonough) ? Vandal Savage (Casper Crump) ? Prometheus (Josh Segarra) ? Tobias Church (Chad L. Coleman) ? Konstantin Kovar (Dolph Lundgren) ? Talia al Ghul (Lexa Doig) ? Kirk Acevedo (The Dragon akak Ricardo Diaz) ? Adrian Paul ? Emiko Queen (Sea Shimooka) ? Cayden James (Michael Emerson), ? Anatoly Knyazev (David Nykl) ? LaMonica Garrett- The Montor o Building the Arrowverse o • Michelle

Favorite / memorable moments from the podcast

• Chris • SP o The podcast was always like a team. Like Team Arrow ? Chris was there from day one and helped with the video production side of things – like Diggle ? Michelle took on the shownotes. Sara ? Heather- our woman on the keyboard took care of the audio edit ? Wing – was like Oliver’s father who started us on the journey ? JS like Yoa Fei ? Jay like Tommy ? Neil like Anatoli o All the voices from the intro o Back channel comms o • Michelle

NEXT EPISODE

Link to Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/01/22/arrow-fadeout-preview-series-finale-the-cw/ (Date: 21 Jan 2020)

Episode: “Fadeout” [Season 8 Episode 10] Air Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 Summary: The final events in the story of the Green Arrow. Director: James Bamford Writers: Beth Schwartz & Marc Guggenheim

IMDB link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9700192/?ref_=ttep_ep10

Join The Starling Tribune each week as we stream live on Thursday Evenings at 7:30 PM eastern or 6:30 PM Central at www.geeks.live. Join the fun chatroom and interact with the hosts live. Contact us: @StarlingTribune – starlingtribune@gmail.com – www.starlingtribune.com – www.facebook.com/starlingtribune – 612-888-CAVE or 612-888-2283.

Starling Tribune is proud to be a member of the GonnaGeek network found at GonnaGeek.com. For more geeky podcast visit GonnaGeek.com.

You can find us wherever you can listen to podcasting including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Pandora, on Amazon Alexa, and iHeartRadio under ”Starling Tribune.” We are very thankful for all of our positive iTunes reviews. You can find all our contact information here on the Network page of GonnaGeek.com Our complete archive is always available at www.starlingtribune.com

This podcast was recorded on Thursday January 30th, 2020.

Thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed the show!

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The Starling Tribune Reporters SP, Chris and Michelle review the penultimate Arrow season 8 episode 9 “Green Arrow & The Canaries.” In this episode the reporters discuss if Oliver Queen’s Crisis sacrifice was honored appropriately in the timeline, ponder why Oliver chose to keep the Earth 2 Laurel, what Earth Prime timeframe is Laurel from in the episode, the awesomeness of two canaries cries back again, wonder when the Crisis effects are fully settled and who’s memories will get restored and who stays oblivious, ask if 2040 Star City is still part of the Arrowverse of 2020, note that cool women don’t look at explosives, admire the good stunt action in the episode, smile at the return of the Queen Mansion, their theories of who the main villain is in the episode, search their memories on any other follow on series with a 20 year time jump, their wishes for what a green lit Green Arrow and the Canaries series would look like, and how the reporters are taking the other CW Arrowverse shows post-Crisis. Join the show next week for the final Arrow episode review and final Starling Tribune episode!

Episode:            “Green Arrow & the Canaries” [Season 8 Episode 9]

Air Date:           Tuesday, January 21, 2020

Director:           Tara Miele

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1301113/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

3x Arrow / 1x Batwoman / 2x Hawaii Five-O

Writers: Beth Schwartz

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2584087/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4

32x Arrow – Current showrunner

Marc Guggenheim

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5

21x Arrow – Former showrunner

Jill Blankenship

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6669558/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6

6x Arrow / 7x The Last Ship

Oscar Balderrama

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2421455/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr7

21x Arrow

Promo: https://www.cbr.com/green-arrow-and-the-canaries-first-promo/

Arrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84

02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77

03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76

04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62

05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74

06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79

07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83

08 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Four 14-Jan-20 1.41

09 Green Arrow And The Canaries 21-Jan-20 0.92

Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

00 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five 14-Jan-20 1.35

01 Meet The Legeends 21-Jan-20 0.72

Supergirl

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26

02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97

03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92

04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95

05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78

06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8

07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79

08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67

10 The Bottle Episode 19-Jan-20 0.84

The Flash

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62

02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27

03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38

04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48

05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19

06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29

07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17

08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71

Black Lightning

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16

02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63

03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell’s Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61

04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn’s Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52

05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71

06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven’s Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62

07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson’s Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65

08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60

09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90

10 The Book of Markovia: Chapter One: Blessings and Curses Reborn 20-Jan-20 0.54

Batwoman

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86

02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45

03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22

04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29

05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16

06 I’ll Be Judge, I’ll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09

07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01

08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71

10 How Queer Everything Is Today! 19-Jan-20 0.79

Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

• What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name?
• • The spin-off of the show
  • Mia Queen in the future
  • 2040
  • Future arrow flanked by canaries
• Fight scenes and stunts
• • Street
  • • Canaries fight; both have cry
    • Mia remembers how to fight
    • Car blown up
    • Deathstroke
  • Complex
  • • Meta dampers
    • Trevor’s the kidnapper and Deathstroke
    • 3 against a bunch a thugs
    • Bianca decks one
    • Trevor blows the place
    • “She” won’t let you stop what’s coming
    • Cool chicks zipline away from explosions
• Mia Queen
• • In the mansion; proposal from JJ, family ring
  • Graduate, socialite
  • Doesn’t recognized either Canary; Laurel uses ring to bring back her memories
  • Not the Green Arrow; not happy getting memories back
  • Living in father’s shadow
  • Decides to pick up the bow
• William
• • Alive; Smoak Tech
  • Grew up with Mia
  • Has the Hosen; symbol is tattoo
  • Tranqed and taken
• Zoe
• • Alive
• Laurel / Black Siren
• • Motorcycle
  • From one year in the future; city in chaos
  • Ring made by Cisco
  • Suit up
  • Thinks JJ is behind the mask
  • People are who they are no matter the timeline
  • Still has issues w/feelings
  • Sara helped her get back in time; Mia accused of failing the city in 2041
• Dinah Drake / Black Canary
• • Owns a club and sings
  • Day after Oliver’s funeral, she woke up in 2040 and doesn’t exist
  • She can do computer stuff too
  • Decides to get back into the hero thing
• Rene Ramirez / Wild Dog
• • Mayor of safest city
• Bianca Bertenelli
• • Laurel tries to warn her; ignores her; gets taken
  • Helena’s daughter; Helena’s disappeared
  • Family – she’s fine; home bugged
• JJ Diggle
• • Mia directly accuses him of kidnapping
  • Forced to remember other life
• Connor
• • Out of rehab
  • Troubled one
• Oliver Queen / Green Arrow
• John Diggle / Spartan
• Lyla / Harbinger
• Thea Queen
• Roy Harper

NEXT EPISODE

Link to Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/01/22/arrow-fadeout-preview-series-finale-the-cw/  (Date: 21 Jan 2020)

Episode: “Fadeout” [Season 8 Episode 10]

Air Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2020

Summary: The final events in the story of the Green Arrow.

Director: James Bamford

Writers: Beth Schwartz & Marc Guggenheim

IMDB link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9700192/?ref_=ttep_ep10

Join The Starling Tribune each week as we stream live on Thursday Evenings at 7:30 PM eastern or 6:30 PM Central at www.geeks.live. Join the fun chatroom and interact with the hosts live. Contact us: @StarlingTribune – starlingtribune@gmail.com – www.starlingtribune.com – www.facebook.com/starlingtribune – 612-888-CAVE or 612-888-2283.

Starling Tribune is proud to be a member of the GonnaGeek network found at GonnaGeek.com. For more geeky podcast visit GonnaGeek.com.

You can find us wherever you can listen to podcasting including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Pandora, on Amazon Alexa, and iHeartRadio under ”Starling Tribune.” We are very thankful for all of our positive iTunes reviews. You can find all our contact information here on the Network page of GonnaGeek.com Our complete archive is always available at www.starlingtribune.com

This podcast was recorded on Thursday January 23th, 2020.

Thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed the show!

Audio Production by Stargate Pioneer of GonnaGeek.com.

 

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The Starling Tribune Reporters SP and Chris review the 2019 Arrowverse Crossover Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Four (technically Arrow Season 8 Episode 8) and Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Five (technically Legends Of Tomorrow Season 5 Episode 0). The reporters discuss the Arrowverse conversion to Earth Prime, how the Speedforce and the Multiverse interact, Oliver Queen is now the Full-on Specter and what does that mean along with Oliver Queen’s sacrificial death, the AMAZING Justice League Ezra Miller scene with the Arrowverse Flash Grant Gustin, Sara Lance taking on the leader of the Arroverse Justice League, the J’onn J’onzz Headache Tour, Beebo’s big crossover moment, what needs to be done post-Crisis with character and storyline explanations, post-Crisis character recovery of Lyla Michaels and Nash Wells, the faults of the crossover story including Wally West and Reverse Flash, the pros and cons of how the crossover was produced, and will the Starling Tribune reporters continue to watch the Arrowverse post-Crisis.

Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4” [Arrow: Season 8 Episode 8] Air Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020

Director: Glen Winter https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935732/?ref_=tt_ov_dr 1x Stargirl / 9x Arrow / 2x Titans / 1x Doom Patrol / 10x Supergirl / 5x Flash / 2x Legends / 12x Smallville

Writers: Marc Guggenheim https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/?ref_=tt_ov_wr 19x Arrow / 10x Legends

Marv Wolfman https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0938379/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4 Numerous character created by credits / 1x Arrow

Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 5” [Legends of Tomorrow: Season 5 Episode 0] Air Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020

Director: Gregory Smith https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0808376/?ref_=tt_ov_dr 6x Legends / 3x Riverdale / 4x Flash / 7x Arrow / 1x Supergirl

Writers: Keto Shimizu https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2582956/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5#writer 15x Legends / 11x Arrow / 1x Flash

Ubah Mohamed https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6763803/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6 6x Legends / 1x Arrow

Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-3-trailer-watch-online-the-flash/

Arrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84 02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77 03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76 04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62 05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74 06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79 07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83 08 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Four 14-Jan-20 1.41

Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 00 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five 14-Jan-20 1.35

Supergirl

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26 02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97 03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92 04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95 05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78 06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8 07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79 08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67

The Flash

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62 02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27 03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38 04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48 05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19 06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29 07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17 08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71

Black Lightning

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16 02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63 03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell’s Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61 04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn’s Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52 05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71 06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven’s Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62 07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson’s Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65 08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60 09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90

Batwoman

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating 01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86 02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45 03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22 04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29 05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16 06 I’ll Be Judge, I’ll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09 07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01 08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01 09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71

Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters • What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name? o Parts 4 and 5 of crossover o Crisis across the multiverse o Part 5 – Welcome to Earth Prime! • Fight scenes and stunts o Lex and Supergirl in Monitor’s lab; his powers against hers o Giant Beebo! ? Sara coordinates fight ? Batwoman realizes Beebo not real ? Distraction – Sargon the Sorcerer o Everyone versus Anti-Monitor and the shadow demons ? Sara in charge ? Ray and Ryan – matter can’t be created or destroyed; shrinking indefinitely in the microverse ? Geek Team – Nash, Ryan, Mick, Black Lightning, Killer Frost ? Supers, J’onn, Alex, Sara, Ray, Batwoman, Barry, Dreamer, Spartan, Rene ? Don’t call Black Lighting Sparkles ? Barry puts bomb together; brings Ray to fight ? Ray to Supergirl – throw like a girl • Time Travel / Crisis / Cameos o Vanishing Point ? Paragons trapped for months; some have given up ? Kara volunteers Lex to go through teleporter ? Spectre – Speed Force is the key to getting Paragons back, unlocks Barry’s full potential o Speed Force ? Barry has to find Sara, Kate, Oliver, J’onn ? Use power of memory and connection; moments of victory and defeat; bonds formed ? Oliver – where they met; Queen Consolidated ? Surprise cameo – Ezra Miller’s Barry Allen (Is this cosplay? Want a selfie? Told Victor this is possible) Compare outfits ? Kate – Oliver/Ray interaction ? Oliver/Kara alien conversation – Invasion crossover; J’onn arrives ? Book of Destiny Fight – Oliver’s special arrow; Barry not there when it actually happened; Oliver remembers everything and tells Barry about his deal w/the Monitor ? Sara – Diggle and Laurel when Sara died; Diggle tells Laurel to be the Canary; Barry touches Sara and brings her back o 10,000 years ago ? Kara, Ryan, and Lex land on Maltus, try to stop Monitor ? Lex attacks Kara and Ryan; has Big Bad Guy Plans – Universal Domination; wants to team w/the Monitor – The Brave and the Bald o Anti-Universe ? Paragons vs. Anti-Monitor ? Oliver/Spectre; Paragons are strong enough to hold the line; Spectre will light the spark, they will fan the flames ? Lex – if anyone’s going to take over the universe, it’s me! ? Anti-Monitor vs. Spectre; energy fight; Spectre grabs Anti-Monitor, energy erupts from Oliver ? Lex – use book to focus ? Energy explosion; end of one universe; rebirth of another o Earth Prime ? Paragons don’t know what’s new; they’re the only ones who remember Crisis ? Lex Luthor – Nobel Peace Prize; during speech, winks at Kara ? J’onn J’onzz goes around and gives everyone the worst headache ever; our worlds combined; Argo saved ? Kara and Flash realize they are same Earth during fight w/Weather Witch; Marv Wolfman cameo ? Superman – boys? ? Baby Sara! ? Heroes are accepted; Justice League formed by Barry o Oliver VO – multiverse split again ? Earth-Prime ? Earth-2 = Stargirl ? Earth-12 = Green Lanterns ? Earth-19 = Swamp Thing ? Earth-9 = Titans ? Earth-21 = Doom Patrol ? Earth-96 = Routh’s Superman! • Oliver Queen / Green Arrow / Spectre o Trained w/Corrigan in Purgatory for months – remembering everything that made him Oliver Green and the Green Arrow o Dying is the easy part; real heroes have to keep going o President gives speech – parting words for the character and the show • Team Arrow o Diggle – upset he wasn’t there for the 2 times Oliver died; “he was my brother” o Rene – we had a Rory on our team once • Supergirl o Holds burnt Superman-96’s cape – similar to comics, in a way o It’s just up, up and away • Team Supergirl o J’onn J’onzz – Hero Paragon; new outfit; gives everyone the worst headache ever • Superman – o Has 2 sons now • Superman – 96 (Routh) o Yellow shield back • Batwoman o Learns from Oliver/Ray interaction: don’t trust each other, then let people in, end up being good friends, bond stronger than iron • Barry Allen / Flash o Missing for months; returns when Lex and Ryan try their teleportation device o Full potential unlocked o Trusts Oliver w/every cell in his body o Heart-to-heart w/Sara o Old Star Labs facility becomes Hall of Justice • Team Flash o N/A • Sara Lance / White Canary o Searches for Oliver o With Oliver’s death, everyone who knew the original me is gone (except her mom right?) ; my ties to this Earth are gone • Ray / Atom o There’s a super me! • Ryan Choi o Part of Team Geek o Helps create Microverse to trap Anti-Monitor o Large city = bureaucracy • Team Legends o Nate and Ava on Waverider; Behrad’s on the ship o Mick – book signing; Rebecca Silver; call him Rebecca o Known for dealing w/magic stuff • Monitor o Planet Maltus: 10,000 years ago – time travel to Dawn of Time, creating Anti-Monitor • Harbinger o Does Lyla remember her time as Harbinger? • Anti-Monitor o There is always one Monitor who can’t resist traveling to Dawn of Time • Lex Luthor o Gave himself some upgrades o Wants to be in charge of everything o Made himself “The Best Guy” when Earth Prime was formed o After fight knows what it feels like to be a hero o Boss of DEO • Pariah / Nash Wells o Anti-matter monitor • Black Lightning o Part of Earth Prime and the Justice League • Thorns: o SP ? Series letdown ? Vibe? ? Elongated Man? ? Slow pacing 1-3 ? 4-5 almost different shows ? Ollie died ? Nash Wells- redeemable? o Chris ? Pacing was off it seemed we crawled for 1-3 then 4-5 flew. ? Wish we could have had more characters in the final fight ? No reverse flash? Since season 1 of flash it’s been implied reverse flash plays a role and he doesn’t appear ? Not sure what this merging means for history. All of the folks we know have their memories restored but to a common person on Earth Prime do they remember the hood basically murdering people (kinda tarnishes Ollie) o Michelle ? Did J’onn visit Lyla? Does she remember being Harbinger? ? WHERE IS WALLY????????????????? ? Where is Cisco and the others? Article cited at bottom states, “Maybe one day we will tell that story,” Guggenheim hedges, “but again, all of those actors need to be paid, and they need to be paid a crossover rate that is above and beyond their episodic rate. That forces us to make hard financial choices that unfortunately occasionally drive the creative choices.” • Roses o SP – ? Never been done before over this many shows and this many episodes ? o Chris ? Combining earths opens some cool opportunities. ? Justice League formation is awesome. ? BEEBO! Everyone loves Beebo ? Sara gets heavily featured and proven that as Captain she’s already a leader of people. Makes sense she would lead the group. Also continuous with a trend in DC where normal humans play a fundamental role in a team ? Routh as Supes one more time. I literally cheered when i saw him in suit on screen again. o Michelle ? OMG they combined all the current CW DC shows (Stargirl on her own Earth) ? Sara in charge; given great moments: leading fight w/Beebo, heart-to-heart w/Barry; coordinating fight w/Anti-Monitor and shadow demons; speech to Anti-Monitor – For Oliver! ? Surprise Flash cameo ? Black Lightning part of Justice League. Also – Justice League! Hall of Heroes! ? Kara happy Kate on same Earth during fight w/Beebo ? Baby Sara! ? Justice for Brandon Routh – amazing shot as Superman • Point of discussion – will you watch the other shows? • For reference: Crisis on Infinite Earths: Easter Eggs and References in Part Three (14 Jan 2020) https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/01/14/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-4-5-easter-eggs/#21 • ‘Crisis on Infinite Earths’ Burning Qs Answered! (15 Jan 2020) https://tvline.com/gallery/crisis-on-infinite-earths-burning-questions-answered/the-flash-season-5-photos-16-2/

NEXT EPISODE

Link to Promo: https://www.cbr.com/green-arrow-and-the-canaries-first-promo/ (Date: 15 Jan 2020)

Episode: “Green Arrow & the Canaries” [Season 8 Episode 9] Air Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 Summary: In the year 2040 – Mia Queen has everything she could have ever wanted – until Laurel and Dinah suddenly show up in her life again and things take a shocking turn; Laurel and Dinah track a kidnapping victim who has direct ties to Mia. Director: James Bamford Writers: Beth Schwartz, Marc Guggenheim, Jill Blankenship and Oscar Balderrama

IMDB link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9700188/?ref_=ttep_ep9

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The Starling Tribune Reporters SP and Chris review the 2019 Arrowverse Crossover Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Three (technically Flash Season 6 Episode 9). The reporters discuss Diggle and Vibe’s return to the crossover and how their stories were treated, Michelle geeks out over the Lucifer cameo, the highlight of the episode and the crossover with John Wesley Shipp’s sacrifice and nod to his 1990 Flash series, SP give a bit of Black Lightning cameo background, if Jon Cryer’s Lex Luther is now a Paragon, the general plot shortfalls or thorns in the episode, if the cameos were treated well and that they are looking forward to the completion of the crossover next week.

Episode:            “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 3” [Flash: Season 6 Episode 9]

Air Date:           Tuesday, December 10, 2019

Director:           David McWhirter

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0574765/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

7x Flash / 5x Supergirl / 8x Blindspot

Writers: Eric Wallace – story by

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908630/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6

7x Flash / 6x Teen Wolf / 5x Eureka

Lauren Certo – teleplay

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6359496/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4

11x Flash

Sterling Gates – teleplay

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2264361/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5

8x Flash / 1x Supergirl

Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-3-trailer-watch-online-the-flash/

Arrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84

02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77

03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76

04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62

05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74

06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79

07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83

Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

Supergirl

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26

02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97

03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92

04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95

05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78

06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8

07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79

08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67

The Flash

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62

02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27

03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38

04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48

05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19

06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29

07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17

08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71

Black Lightning

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16

02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63

03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell’s Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61

04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn’s Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52

05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71

06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven’s Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62

07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson’s Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65

08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60

09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90

Batwoman

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86

02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45

03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22

04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29

05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16

06 I’ll Be Judge, I’ll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09

07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01

08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71

Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

• What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name?
  • Part 3 of crossover
  • Crisis across the multiverse
• Fight scenes and stunts

• N/A

• Time Travel / Crisis / Cameos
  • Earth-203 New Gotham – Huntress (Birds of Prey TV show)
  • Plan to rescue as many from other Earths and bring them to Earth 1
• Oliver Queen / Green Arrow – Earth 1
  • Trip to Purgatory; Constantine needs help to get into Purgatory, goes to Earth-666 and gets Lucifer to help (repayment for Maze); picture fades, trapped in Purgatory
  • Constating, Diggle, and Mia go to Purgatory – Lian Yu for Oliver
  • Oliver attacks; Diggle gets him back
  • Jim Corrigan – Constatine knows him too; Corrigan – your destiny is to save everyone, you must become the Spectre
• Team Arrow
  • Diggle pissed about not being told about Oliver
• Supergirl – Earth 38
  • Determined to use book to bring back her Earth
• Team Supergirl
  • J’onn J’onzz – Hero Paragon
• Superman – 38 (Hoechlin)

• N/A

• Superman – 96 (Routh)
  • Couldn’t save people; black – even in the darkest time, hope brings us out
• Batwoman – Earth 1
  • Gets Lex to talk about the book, giving Lex the opportunity to rip out a page
  • Confronts Kara about using the book; we’re doomed if something happens to you
  • Gives Kara Bruce’s kryptonite thing; Kara tells her to keep it
• Barry Allen / Flash – Earth 1
  • Go to source of anti-matter wave – in Central City – with Killer Frost and Vibe
  • Nash is Pariah – witness tragedy
  • Earth-90 Flash on treadmill
  • Convinces Black Lightning to help
  • Flashtime conversation w/Flash 90 – time for Flash to vanish in Crisis
  • Go reverse on treadmill
  • Parting moments w/Cisco and Caitlin
  • Earth 90 Barry takes Barry’s speed force; keep riding the lightning, son
  • Bonding moment w/Black Lightning; lessons from fathers
• Team Flash
  • Cisco helps Ray w/detector
  • Killer Frost and Elongated Man
  • Paragon of Love
  • Cisco – Vibe again “thanks” to Monitor; gets Flash
  • Iris – Barry’s tells her that her heart will convince Ryan to be a hero; parting moment with Barry
• Sara Lance / White Canary

• Ray / Atom
• Ryan Choi
  • Paragon of humanity
  • Recognizes Ray Palmer; working in miniaturization
  • I’m no hero; if the world’s ending, then I need to be home
  • Iris talks him into helping them
• Team Legends

• Monitor
  • Anti-Monitor wants to replace this universe with his own
  • Can only attempt to save what remains
  • Sent Earth-90 Flash away, allowing Anti-Monitor to find him
  • His world and family died; distracted by work
  • Only Earth left
  • You’ll know what to do when the moment arrives, Pariah
• Harbinger
  • Arrives on Waverider; memory fuzzy
  • Flash and Superman figure out she’s the enemy; is the Anti-Monitor; destroys Earth-1

• Anti-Monitor
  • Flash 90 on treadmill; failsafe – cannon destroy all Earths at once.
  • Takes over Harbinger
  • Mobius
  • Takes Novu’s power; destroys Earth-1
• Lex Luthor
  • Of course he’s going to take a page from the book and make himself a hero
• Pariah
  • Controlled by Anti-Monitor; bears witness
  • Cisco vibes his memories
  • Brings Black Lightning, who doesn’t know about multiple Earths and whose Earth is gone
  • Teleports Flash, Sara, Batwoman, Supergirl, Superman, J’onn J’onzz, and Ryan to the Vanishing Point – outside of time and space; Lex comes out of Superman to rewrite destiny
• Black Lightning
  • Contains energy from canon
  • Not from Earth-1
  • Rage against the dying of the light
• Thorns:
  • SP
    • All three episodes sort of feel like a waste now because everything is gone
    • Loved the cameos, but some are obscure for Arrowverse fans
      • Choi
      • Lucifer
      • Spectre
      • Stargate Pioneer
    • Jon Cryer – what a great Lex – plus the Christopher Reeve connection in Superman IV. Yes, I know we’ve discussed it before but I felt it needed to be mentioned again.
    • The way the Flash cast just miraculously portals in
      • Punctuates the separate episodes and not true continuous miniseries event
    • Black Lightning just a bit more than a cameo
    • It would have been nice to see Oracle on Earth 203
    • World’s Finest confrontation …a bit old with Batman v Superman
    • Why does Vibe live again when Cisco went through the whole arc of becoming non meta again? – I know,because plot and he was the only one to get through the treadmill force field. But….really?
  • Chris
    • Why isn’t Dig the Green Lantern yet?
    • Spectre reveal kinda came out of nowhere
  • Michelle
    • Still upset that we didn’t see Nash become Pariah or Lyla become Harbinger and why she ended up w/Anti-Monitor and as the Anti-Monitor
    • If Anti-Monitor could destroy all Earths at once, why not do so? (I know, because plot, but still)
    • Oliver didn’t need to become the Spectre; Corrigan would’ve been great to see
  • Roses
    • SP –
      • All the cameos.
      • John Wesley Shipp’s 90’s flash gets an ending
      • Diggle’s issue about not being with Oliver – true to the characters
      • Routh’s Superman … again.
    • Chris
      • John Wesley Shipp is OG flash again! and we get an actual 90s flash flashback
      • Brandon Routh is still great. Can we give him a Superman show?
      • Diggle and Oliver’s friendship is shown to be a big deal when he’s the one that pulls him out.
      • Lex tricks everyone (keep in mind he sees himself as a hero normally). BUt bummed it’s Routh Supes that is gone :(
      • Kara and Kate conversation ends when Kara tells her to keep the kryptonite

• Michelle
  • Lucifer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Tom Ellis and the show. Maze is Mazikeen, loyal servant/friend of Lucifer’s; Constantine helped bring her out of Hell to Earth; there are rules preventing Lucifer from just bringing whoever he wants out of Hell; even Lucifer has to go back to Hell; visit is pre-TV show
  • Treadmill from comics; a Flash has to die; flashback to Flash TV show (knew this was going to happen, still teared up anyway)
  • Logical reason to bring in Black Lightning
  • Diggle brings back Oliver
  • Still loving Snart as the voice of the Waverider
• For reference: Crisis on Infinite Earths: Easter Eggs and References in Part Three (10 Dec 2019) https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/11/crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-3-easter-eggs/

ARROW NEWS:

1. CW Reveals When Arrow, Flash, Batwoman and More Return From Winter Hiatus (Date: 18 Dec 2019)
   1. Both Arrow and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow will air on Jan. 14 to close out the Arrowverse’s “Crisis on Infinite Earths”.
   2. Official premiere dates:
   3. Batwoman: Jan. 19, 8 p.m.
   4. Supergirl: Jan. 19, 9 p.m
   5. Black Lightning: Jan. 20, 9 p.m.
   6. Arrow: Jan. 21, 8 p.m.
   7. DC’s Legends of Tomorrow: Jan. 21, 9 p.m.
   8. The Flash: Feb. 4, 8 p.m.
   9. https://www.cbr.com/cw-arrowverse-riverdale-black-lightning-midseason-premiere-dates/

CW ARROWVERSE NEWS:

1. The CW Renews 13 Series Including ‘Batwoman’, ‘Nancy Drew’, ‘The Flash’, ‘Riverdale’ & ‘All American’ (Date: 7 Jan 2020)
   1. The CW has ordered second seasons of Batwoman and Nancy Drew, along with renewing All American (Season 3), Black Lightning (Season 4), Charmed (Season 3), DC’S Legends of Tomorrow (Season 6), Dynasty (Season 4), The Flash (Season 7), In the Dark (Season 3), Legacies (Season 3), Riverdale (Season 5), Roswell, New Mexico (Season 3), and Supergirl (Season 6).
   2. https://deadline.com/2020/01/the-cw-renews-13-series-batwoman-nancy-drew-the-flash-riverdale-all-american-1202823557/

NEXT EPISODE

Link to Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-3-trailer-watch-online-the-flash/ (Date: 10 Dec 2019)

Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4” [Arrow: Season 8 Episode 8] and “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 5” [Legends of Tomorrow: Season 5 Episode 0]

Air Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020

Summary: After their defeat in Crisis Part 3 at the hands of the Anti-Monitor, the 7 paragons must fight to bring back the multiverse. Worlds lived, worlds died. Nothing will ever be the same.

Part 4 Director: Glen Winter

Part 4 Writers: Marc Guggenheim

Part 5 Director: Gregory Smith

Part 5 Writers: Keto Shimizu & Ubah Mohamed

IMDB link: Part 4:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9641260/?ref_=ttep_ep8

Part 5: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9724506/?ref_=ttep_ep_cur

Join The Starling Tribune each week as we stream live on Thursday Evenings at 7:30 PM eastern or 6:30 PM Central at www.geeks.live. Join the fun chatroom and interact with the hosts live. Contact us: @StarlingTribune – starlingtribune@gmail.com – www.starlingtribune.com – www.facebook.com/starlingtribune – 612-888-CAVE or 612-888-2283.

Starling Tribune is proud to be a member of the GonnaGeek network found at GonnaGeek.com. For more geeky podcast visit GonnaGeek.com.

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This podcast was recorded on Thursday January 9th, 2020.

Thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed the show!

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The Starling Tribune Reporters SP and Chris review the 2019 Arrowverse Crossover Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Two (technically Batwoman Episode 9). The reporters discuss the how appropriate the heroes’ reactions were to Oliver’s death, the quest for the paragons, the questionable character treatment of The Harbinger and Pariah, the confusing nature of Legends Of Tomorrow in the crossover, the special role of Kevin Conroy as Batman in the crossover, Smallville’s Tom Welling and Erica Durance in the crossover and what happened with the Kryptonite, Brandon Routh shinning as Superman, the Crossover end credit logo, the reveal of the Anti-Monitor, the World’s Finest side quest and how the Book Of Destiny was used.

Episode:            “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two” [Batwoman: Season 1 Episode 9]

Air Date:           Monday, December 9, 2019

Director:           Laura Belsey

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0069513/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

1x Batwoman / 7x Arrow / 1x The Flash / 2x The Walking Dead

Writers: Don Whitehead

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2453861/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4

2x Batwoman / 2x Stitchers / 13x Smallville

Holly Henderson

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1177855/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5

2x Batwoman / 2x Stitchers / 13x Smallville

Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-2-batwoman-promo-cw/

Arrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84

02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77

03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76

04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62

05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74

06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79

07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83

Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

Supergirl

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26

02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97

03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92

04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95

05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78

06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8

07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79

08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67

The Flash

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62

02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27

03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38

04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48

05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19

06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29

07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17

08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71

Black Lightning

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16

02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63

03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell’s Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61

04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn’s Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52

05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71

06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven’s Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62

07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson’s Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65

08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60

09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90

Batwoman

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating

01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86

02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45

03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22

04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29

05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16

06 I’ll Be Judge, I’ll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09

07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01

08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01

09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71

Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

• What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name?
• • Part 2 of crossover
  • Crisis across the multiverse
• Fight scenes and stunts
• • Super fight
  • • Can tell when computer animation is used
    • Lois knocks Lex out; Lois and Iris use book; Lois speech to bring 96 back
  • Mia and Sara kick Hex’s butt; Sara gives Hex his scar
• Time Travel / Crisis / Cameos
• • Earth-74: Snart as Waverider’s AI
  • Earth-99: Conroy as Batman; exo suit to walk; older
  • • Kate and Kara
    • Kate died 5 years ago; Beth lived
    • Batman – start w/a code, then take a life, then taking others becomes easy; trophies from kills, including Superman
    • Batman – gave authorities too much power; has Kryptonite in suit
    • Kate kicks Bruce; “There is no hope”
  • Earth-75: Metropolis
  • • Superman killed – Superman dies comic scene
  • Earth-167
  • • Tom Welling! So buff; tosses Krytonite
    • Kent farm; gave up powers; has daughters w/Lois
    • Punches Lex – his Earth, president
    • Not everyone looks the same going from Earth to Earth
  • Earth-96: Metropolis
  • • Routh Superman; Joker gassed the Daily Planet, killing everyone Superman knew
    • Luthor tired of killing Superman; has 38 and 96 fight
  • Earth-18: North Dakota
  • • Lazarus Pit
    • Jonah Hex tries to stop them; Sara gives him his scar
    • Sara – Mia won’t take no for an answer like her father; smart like her mother
    • Oliver comes back; Sara tranqed body
• Oliver Queen / Green Arrow – Earth 1
• • Sara, Kate, and Kara pour one for him
  • Constantine finds parallel universes; finds Lazarus Pit
  • Constantine can’t bring Oliver’s soul back b/c antimatter messing w/his magical powers
• Team Arrow
• Supergirl – Earth 38
• • We should be able to undo this
  • Doesn’t trust Monitor
• Team Supergirl
• Superman – 38 (Hoechlin)
• Superman – 96 (Routh)
• • Kingdom Come and from Superman Returns
  • Instant chemistry w/Lois
• Batwoman – Earth 1
• • Who wants to meet Batman?
  • New and unfriendly
  • Just started – yet was active last year
  • Took Kryptonite from Bruce
• Barry Allen / Flash – Earth 1
• • We’re going to use a Lazarus Pit to bring Oliver back
• Team Flash
• Sara Lance / White Canary
• • Promised crew to no more crossovers
  • Mia – Nyssa told me everything about you and Lazarus Pits
• Ray / Atom
• • Paragon detector
• Team Legends
• • Earth-74: Snart is this Waverider’s AI – any preference to how you want to die, Harbinger
  • Rory’s ship; trying to be a writer; Harbinger, we need you – Rory “You had me at beer”
  • Rory – Good with the baby; reads his self-published novel
• Monitor
• • Need Ray’s lab
  • Need the 7 paragons – beings of the purest will
  • • Kara – hope
    • Kate – courage (bat of the future)
    • Sara – destiny
    • Superman 96 – truth
  • Got Book of Destiny by going back in time; knew Luthor was going to steal the book
  • Book of the Guardians – given to Felicity
• Harbinger
• • Keeping Diggle in the dark
  • Book making heard headaches
  • Goes to the Anti-Monitor
• Lex Luthor
• • Has a part to play; destiny unfulfilled
  • Steals book; mission – kill all Superman
• Pariah
• Thorns:
• • SP
  • • Oliver’s death is devastating, but whole planets have been destroyed

• • • • Felicity (Chris good point)
    • Is Lyla Lyla or Harbinger. Diggle at home with JJ?
    • Yea I liked Leonard on the Earth-74 Waverider, but why not use the ACTUAL Waverider?
    • The book of destiny – who can use it and who cannot? – Not exactly the same book as last crossover
    • Epic Superman v Superman fight destruction – they definitely need a glass repair service on Earth-96
    • If the Monitor knew who the paragons were – why waste time sending them on their journey to Earth-99?
  • Chris
  • • Where Diggle? He should be here and be a potential voice of reason for not using a Lazarus Pit
    • Its a sendoff for Smallville but no Welling in suit
    • • Blue K theory? (doesn’t really matter now)
      • I’m conflicted here it’s a good sendoff to Clark. Part of his narrative in the show was that he wanted to me normal at times.  I think I built it up too much in my mind. But tbh I’m a bit salty we still never got Welling in the suit
    • CG on the Super fight was a bit rough but TV budget so okay
    • What’s up with Lyla? Is this going to be explained in the comic tie-in?
    • Sidequest the episode.  Big stakes from part 1 aren’t really in play here
  • Michelle
  • • Tom Welling not in Superman suit
    • Lazarus Pit, really? The multiverse is ending; Barry spends a lot of time on side mission
    • Harbinger’s going to Anti-Monitor really not explained
• Roses
• • SP –
  • • “Yea. I kind of promised my crew we’d never have to do another crossover”
    • Jonathan crying and being passed off from person to person until Mick stops him
    • World’s Finest Teamup to Earth-99. “Bat Of The Future”
    • Lois has a thing for ALLSupermen
    • Lex Luther’s “Superfriends” comment to Earth-167 Superman
    • It was fitting to have Batman in the Batwoman episode
    • Superman v Superman fight was made better by two actors: Brandon Routh and Tyler Hoechlin
    • For all the Legends Of Tomorrow side characters to be in Crisis, it was good to see Jonah Hex
    • End credit symbols are pretty cool
  • Chris
  • • Leo replaces Gideon
    • Routh is still a perfect Superman. This is the series they should be pursuing.
    • • He is from Superman Returns via reference to his son Jason
    • Kara eyes up Routh Supes gets told he’s her cousin by Superman prime was fun
    • Ray and Supes trading quips on teh Waverider was fun
    • Having not watched Cryer in Supergirl I don’t know what he was like previously but he nails it as Lex
    • Kevin Conroy is batman even if its evil batman.
    • • they took my batman and put him in live action. Normally I complain about guggenheim and his need to defy expectations of fans. I actually liked it here. To many people Kevin Conroy is the definitive version of batman. One who never kills. To take this version and have him be a broken version similar to Dark Knight Returns Batman was not what I expected. And seeing Conroy pull off broken Batman both physically and mentally was quite the show.
    • Teased me with Batman Beyond when referencing a Gotham from the future
    • Smallville
    • • Didn’t expect to get it.
      • Like the nod to Lex as president
      • Wish there had been more
    • Alternate earth Mick is still delightful as is his babysitting
  • Michelle
  • • Tom Welling!!!! Everyone noticing how buff he is
    • Like the Kara/Constantine/Mia teamup
    • Kate and Kara develop relationship
    • Cryer gets to be more Lex Luthor-y than on Supergirl
    • Kate has character development w/interaction w/Bruce
    • Brandon Routh gets to show the world why he’s a great Superman and deserves to take over from Cavill
    • Episode made me like Superman again

• For reference: Crisis on Infinite Earths: Easter Eggs and References in Part Two (10 Dec 2019) https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/10/crisis-infinite-earths-part-2-easter-eggs/

ARROW NEWS:

1. CW Reveals When Arrow, Flash, Batwoman and More Return From Winter Hiatus (Date: 18 Dec 2019)

1. Both Arrow and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow will air on Jan. 14 to close out the Arrowverse’s “Crisis on Infinite Earths”.
2. Official premiere dates:
3. Batwoman: Jan. 19, 8 p.m.
4. Supergirl: Jan. 19, 9 p.m
5. Black Lightning: Jan. 20, 9 p.m.
6. Arrow: Jan. 21, 8 p.m.
7. DC’s Legends of Tomorrow: Jan. 21, 9 p.m.

1. The Flash: Feb. 4, 8 p.m.
2. https://www.cbr.com/cw-arrowverse-riverdale-black-lightning-midseason-premiere-dates/

FEEBACK:

1. DISCORD: yakk0dotorg 12/12/2019
   1. Here’s a pretty interesting interview with Brandon Routh on the crossover and his time as Ray and Superman. https://youtu.be/owOvkaOgab0
2. FACEBOOK: ??Anthony McDowell?
   1. I am sad that the Starling Tribune is about to shut down. Y’alls coverage of the show plus the One-shots and other stuff yuns do is fantastic. Just listened to Purgatory and thought that I would mention that on VUDU you can buy the bundles of Invansion and Crisis On Earth-X. They haven’t got Elseworlds bundled yet but hopefully they do, and obviously I hope eventually they get Crisis On Infinite Earths bundled too. Thanks, I appreciate y’all, it’s been fun listening to y’alls coverage, and looking forward to these last little bit of episodes. Thanks!
3. REDDIT (via Chris):
   1. https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/e9vu1r/crisis_spoilers_star_city/
   2. Posted byu/rleach1001
   3. 7 days ago
   4. [Crisis Spoilers] Star City
   5. spoiler
   6. Star City 2046 can’t be the same Earth featured in Legends of Tomorrow. I know Sara said the Waverider jumped dimensions, but she has to be wrong. In Legends of Tomorrow S1E6, Sara meets future Oliver and he says:
   7. “30 years ago, you and Ray hopped on a spaceship, and you never came back.”
   8. In Crisis Part One, they meet alternate Oliver, and he says:
   9. “You’re dead. You… you went down with the Gambit.”
   10. So, Earth-16 is an alternate Earth that’s very similar to Star City 2046, but Sara actually died on the Gambit. She never got on the Amazo, joined the League, or came back to Star City. Star City 2046 was a potential future for Earth-1 that was avoided.

NEXT EPISODE

Link to Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-3-trailer-watch-online-the-flash/ (Date: 9 Dec 2019)

Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 3” [Flash: Season 6 Episode 9]

Air Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2019

Summary: Pariah enlists Black Lightning to help stop the Anti-Monitor after Flash-90 Shares what he learned from his battle in ‘Elseworlds’. With the help of Black Lightning, Barry, Cisco and Killer Frost come up with a plan that could save them all. Meanwhile, Iris has a heart-to-heart with Ryan Choi while Oliver and Diggle return to an old familiar stomping ground.

Director: David McWhirter

Writers: Lauren Certo & Sterling Gates / Eric Wallace (story by)

IMDB link:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9641254/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt

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