Starling Tribune – Season 5 Edition – Vigilante (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast)
The Official Arrow Podcast of the Gonna Geek Network
Episode: “Invasion!” [Season 5 Episode 8]
Air Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2016
Director: James “Bam Bam” Bamford
5x Arrow | 1x Supergirl
Writers: Marc Guggenheim (teleplay)
EP of Arrow | 11x Arrow (writer) | 7x Legends of Tomorrow
Wendy Mericle (teleplay)
Showrunner of Arrow | 19x Arrow
Greg Berlanti (story by)
EP of Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Supergirl | Story by: 19x Arrow, 10x Flash, 5x Supergirl, 4x Legends
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89
02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94
03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79
04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87
05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61
06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95
07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86
08 Invasion 30-Nov-16 3.55
09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16
10 Who Are You TBD
11 Second Chances TBD
12 Bratva TBD
13 Spectre Of The Gun TBD
Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters
- What was the overall theme for this episode / What was the link to the ep. name
- Part 2 of the Invasion! crossover
- Ollie, Thea, Diggle, Sara and Ray captured by Dominators and are trapped in a shared hallucination
- Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
- BEST FIGHT EVER
- Ollie v. Deathstroke
- Sara v. Darhk
- Thea v. Malcolm
- Diggle v. Ghost (was it supposed to be Andy??)
- Ray v. Mirakuru Soldier (That’s how his Fiancee died wasn’t it??)
- Thea stab Malcolm, fires arrow at Sara, who catches arrow and stabs Darhk with it, Thea tosses Ollie bow, and Ollie shoots Deathstroke with arrow Malcolm hit him with at beginning of fight
- Rene v. Cyberwoman (followed by Barry & Kara kinda beating her up in an unfair fight)
- Flash and Supergirl team up on Cyberwoman
- Diggle and Ollie v. “Deathstroke”
- BEST FIGHT EVER
- Saw a lot on ship
- Chase escapees with a lot of ships
- Took group to gather intel
- Team rescued by Waverider
- Have a weapon
- On way to Earth
- Flashbacks: Share your thoughts
- Well, we could consider that Episode 100 was one big flashback
- Bat-checklist: Ollie is the tactician
- Dream about if he didn’t go on Queen’s Gambit
- Going to marry Laurel next day
- First one to remember reality
- Tempted to stay – wants to take QC job and elope with Laurel
- Realizes he can’t stay – tearful goodbyes with parents
- Thea wants to stay; didn’t become Arrow for the reward, did it because it was right; says bye to Thea
- After fight, tearful goodbye to Laurel
- Before leaving dream, see loved ones; told many times in dream that parents would be proud, he’s a changed man, he’s grown up
- Finds alien gun
- The Hood – wore the outfit in season 1
- Starts to remember after Ollie visit (his Arrowcave has bad security too)
- Figures out they need to go to Smoak Tech building to exit dream
- Dream: manages Verdant, happy
- Wants to stay so she doesn’t lose family
- Changes mind because the group is her family too
- Felicity and the Nerd Army
- Dream: engaged to Ray, Diggle’s sidekick
- Part of the “Nerd Army” with Cisco and Curtis
- Nerds try to hack alien tech, blows up first time
- Is surprised group in space; uh, the Nerd Army should have looked there first – aliens and all that
- Nerd Army contacts Waverider; Ray figures out why taken, recalls bit of Dominator dialogue, Gideon translates
- Quentin Lance
- Dream: happy Dad
- Part of the Nerd Army
- Quotes movies – Cisco not impressed; 3PO processor – Star Wars reference
- Disappointed Dominators are space monsters
- Fawns over Flash / happy he got a Flash ride
- Fawns over Supergirl
- Happy to be hacking alien tech
- Wild Dog
- He can do the salmon ladder! Shirtless!
- Doesn’t like metahumans or aliens – they have powers of gods, but think they can dress up and do good
- Doesn’t get a ride from Flash
- Fights with Cyberwoman, then Flash and Supergirl save him, changes tune
- Realizes Ollie would have decked him if he spoke to Ollie like he spoke to Supergirl and Flash
- Thinks all is a divine plan
- Recognizes that the Dominator language is based on Hebrew / Old Testament language – how convenient
- Is honored to meet Flash and Supergirl
- D.A. Adrian Chase
- Susan Williams
- Absent – unless Russian lady who worked for Queens is a secret member
- Leads? – None this week
- Michelle’s List O’Suspects: (Being bold by eliminating some this week due to developments)
- Tommy Merlyn
- Robert Queen
- Adrian Chase (but more likely to become Vigilante)
- Billy Malone (he “heard on the street” that Prometheus was a threat to the Arrow; very eager to learn where Green Arrow lives)
- Helena Bertinelli (but I would rather see her as either Huntress or head of the Bertinelli family)
- Isabel Rochev
- Mckenna Hall
- Slade Wilson (being Deathstroke right away could give his plan away)
- Talia al Ghul (see this week’s news)
- New: Quentin Lance (likely a red herring) (in rehab)
- Roy (he’s been mentioned, he’s had access to arrows, and he might have seen The List)
- Viktor (SP’s add; he did see the list – shown in the season premiere)
- SUPERGIRL: “Medusa”
- Stefan Pleszczynski – director; writers: Jessica Queller and Derek Simon
- Imdb link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5957644/?ref_=ttep_ep8
- Thanksgiving episode
- Medusa virus developed by Kara’s father designed virus to kill all non-Kryptonians; altered by Cadmus to kill all aliens
- Alex and Maggie finally kiss
- Portal appears 3 times; Barry and Cisco come through the last one into Kara’s apartment
- Barry says Cisco is his friend, but Cisco says they’re coworkers
- THE FLASH: “Invasion!”
- Dermott Downs – director; story by Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg; teleplay by Aaron Helbing and Todd Helbing
- Imdb link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5584134/?ref_=tt_eps_cu_n
- Barry got scolded by entire team about messing with the timeline
- Message from future: Hey younger Barry, you messed up the future too, you selfish dumb dumb
- Supergirl meets team
- Train against Supergirl
- Dominators mind control
- Heroes fight each other. Yes, it’s cool, but we’ve seen this trope too many times
- Barry angers Supergirl to get her to destroy machine
- Ollie’s speech to Barry
- LEGENDS OF TOMORROW: “Invasion!”
- Gregory Smith – director; story by Greg Berlanti; teleplay by Phil Klemmer and Marc Guggenheim
- Imdb link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5584108/?ref_=ttep_ep_cur
- Recap: http://comicbook.com/2016/12/02/legends-of-tomorrow-recap-with-spoilers-invasion-/
- Best part of the crossover?
- Earth’s Mightiest Heros – My earth could use a Supergirl. Mine could use an oliver queen
- Stein’s kid. New recurring character.
- Diggle with the best piece of advice “It’s like I keep telling this guy, you have to forgive yourself”
- Cisco’s device to communicate and cross over
- You look like the star spangled idiot
- She’s Hot? Yup.
- Barry and Ollie drinking. Great friendship. Damn.
- Not a lot of Dominators. Not a lot of Supergirl. Why was she even there?
- INVASION! – DC comic book series – skip so we can push ahead. Dedicated show in the future
- Three-part comic book series published from late 1988 to early 1989
- Writers: Keith Giffen and Bill Mantlo; pencillers: Todd McFarlane and Bart Sears; inkers: P. Craig Russell, Al Gordon, and Dick Giordano; colorist: Carl Gafford
- Plot: the alien race the Dominators form an alliance and attack Earth with the goal of ridding Earth of all of its metahumans and superpowered people
- Invasion stopped, but a young Dominator develops a Gene Bomb, which causes all meta-humans to lose control of their powers
- A group led by Martian Manhunter finds a cure
Comparison to TV adaptation:
- There is no way the TV version can be as grand because the TV universe doesn’t have as many metahumans and supers as the comic
- Started with aliens in comic, so know their motivation, but it took a long time to learn their motivation in the adaptation
CURRENT EPISODE DC EASTER EGGS & POP CULTURE REFERENCES
Season 5 Episode 8 “Invasion!” (Date: 01 Dec 2016)
- Running – Stephen Amell said, “The hundredth episode of Arrow begins in a very appropriate way: it begins with Oliver running. We’ve had him running into the premiere almost every year, we didn’t have him running in this year, but we have him running in the hundredth episode.”
- Dinah Laurel Lance – Full-naming your fiancee while doing cutesy talk isn’t entirely unheard-of, but here it’s a nice little reminder that, yes, Laurel is actually Dinah Lance from the comics, the longtime Justice League and Birds of Prey member known as the Black Canary. Laurel’s necklace is the Black Canary logo from the comics
- Oliver and Company – The reference, in case you missed it the first hundred times we used it or when Cisco explained it this week, is to a Disney animated film from the ’80s. It was a musical comedy about a group of streetwise dogs who take in a small, orange cat, in which the soundtrack was primarily driven by Billy Joel, whose biggest fan is probably Arrow EP Marc Guggenheim. Per Guggenheim, he made the Oliver and Company joke in the script, but it was actor Carlos Valdes who added the Billy Joel nod.
- The Hozen – In the pilot, Oliver gave Thea a H?zen (??) — an arrowhead-shaped stone he found around the neck of a dead Japanese soldier on Lian Yu. In the pilot, he told her — as she tells him this week — that in Japanese Buddhism, the h?zen symbolizes reconnecting.
- Palmer’s Buyout Offer – The Palmer Technologies buyout of Queen Consolidated came in season 3 of the TV show, but apparently here, Palmer was hovering around Queen as soon as he heard Robert Queen was thinking of stepping down.
- Van Horn Industries – Van Horn Industries is the name of a company owned by the family of Andrew Van Horn, a superhero known as Gunfire. Gunfire was created during the Bloodlines attack, a ’90s attempt to create a bunch of new superheroes by giving them a common starting point: an alien invasion where some of the victims of parasitic, cannibalistic aliens survived and gained powers.
- Hood Sketch – Along with Diggle under the hood, we get a look at the original Hood sketch and newspaper clippings that made up part of the Starling City Police Department’s Rip Hunter-style chalkboard looking for the Arrow in season 1.
- MY NAME IS OLIVER QUEEN – When Oliver starts to introduce himself, he goes with “My name is Oliver Queen,” just like he does in the voice over at the start of nearly every episode. Felicity hilariously cuts him off with “everyone knows who you are.” Which serves the story — he’s a famous, wealthy socialite — and the meta-text of the episode.
- CHICAGO MED – That roundabout thing about how Tommy is a doctor in Chicago now, and he just couldn’t break away from his long shifts to come visit for the wedding? That’s a whole lot of meta, talking about actor Colin Donnell, who played Tommy in season 1 and has periodically come back in flashbacks and other such stories. Donnell couldn’t come for the hundredth episode because he’s now a regular on Chicago Med, which is in production and couldn’t spare him.
- THE PATH NOT TAKEN – This story seem familiar? Like last year’s Supergirl episode “For the Girl Who Has Everything,” or the “Flashpoint” episode of The Flash? What about “Perchance to Dream” from Batman: The Animated Series?
- THE FERN – It came back! Was seen when Ollie enters Diggle’s Arrowcave
- Heroes & Villains Fan Fest: Arrow Cast Panel Recap (Date: 19 Nov 2016)
Highlights from the Arrow panel include: David Ramsey thankful he has a new helmet, Willa Holland misses wearing the Speedy outfit, and John Jr. is suppose to tie into the Conner Hawke storyline.
- Arrow’s Stephen Amell Wants To Play A Villain (Date: 22 Nov 2016)
com had the chance to hear Amell speak in Atlanta at Heroes & Villains Fan Fest, and it was there that the actor shared his nefarious dreams. “Having lived in the hero’s shoes for a moment, I would say I’d like to play a…famous and memorable villain,” he said, “in the vein of Hans Gruber or Hannibal Lector.”
- STEPHEN AMELL HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR (Date: 26 Nov 2016)
“They’ve reached out to me to do ‘American Ninja Warrior,’” he said at a Heroes & Villains Fan Fest convention panel, according to ComicBook.com. “We’ll see. One of the things that I’m learning now as someone that has a big responsibility at the head of a television show and has some business interests and is a husband and a father– priorities not being in that order — I don’t want to stretch myself too thin, and I wouldn’t want to do something if I couldn’t put my heart and soul into it.”
- ARROW & PROMETHEUS HAVE AN EXPLOSIVE CONFRONTATION IN NEW PHOTOS (Date: 23 Nov 2016)
Team “Arrow” is in deep trouble. In “What We Leave Behind,” the episode following the “Invasion!” crossover, Oliver discovers that Prometheus knows his and his fellow vigilantes’ secret identities. What follows is an explosive confrontation between Green Arrow and his mysterious foe. The photos below show Green Arrow and Prometheus coming to blows, but Oliver is not alone. He has a little help from Spartan and Wild Dog, and it looks like they’re going to fight fire with fire.
- Arrow Boss Marc Guggenheim Reflects on 100 Episodes, Favorite Moments — Plus, What’s Still on His ‘To-Do’ List? (Date: 29 Nov 2016)
In the photo gallery above right, Marc Guggenheim shares favorite memories and musings from the past 100 episodes — Which casting was a “happy accident”? What stunt still wows him? Did “Olicity” happen too soon? — as well as offers some behind-the-scenes secrets.
- Arrow boss previews Matrix-esque 100th episode (Date: 29 Nov 2016)
EW interviewed Marc Guggenheim about Arrow’s 100th episode and the series so far. Guggenheim admits to having some regrets: “The truth is, I don’t think I’ve ever been involved with an hour of television on any show where there hasn’t been something I wanted to take back,” he says. “Doing 23 episodes a year, you’re just constantly running, so nothing ever turns out exactly the way you want it to. In other words, my list of regrets is actually incredibly long; it’s 100 episodes long. I’d say probably my biggest regret is I wish we had allowed the Oliver-Felicity storyline in season 4 to unfold at a more natural pace. We had set these tentpoles at the beginning of the season, and we were a bit too rigorous on how we hit them. That was a case where the planning overtook the storytelling. We didn’t do things as naturally and as elegantly as we should have.”
- ‘Arrow’ EP Marc Guggenheim On Tonight’s 100th Episode, CW’s Mega-Crossover & What’s Next (Date: 30 Nov 2016)
Reflecting on Arrow’s future and past, as well as the labyrinth and rewards of the multi-show saga, Guggenheim spoke with Deadline about how “Invasion” came together as a crossover and a stand-alone episode of the Vancouver-filmed show. The EP, who developed the show with Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg, also hinted at where things could go next for the archer and his team as Arrow heads towards next week’s Season 5 winter finale, who we may see more of from the show’s past, and what the next crossover could be like.
- Arrow Hits Season High Ratings During 100th Episode (Date: 01 Dec 2016)
In a report by Deadline, the site has confirmed Arrow hit a season-high rating last night of 1.3/5. The episode drew in 86% more viewers ages 18-49 than it did on November 16. The episode was a tenth down from last year’s superhero crossover special, but its viewership was still impressive. More than 3.52 million people watched the episode.
GENERAL DC TV NEWS
- SUPERGIRL’S BRENDA STRONG ON UNLEASHING LILLIAN LUTHOR’S WRATH (Date: 22 Nov 2016)
com interviewed Brenda Strong who currently plays Lillian Luthor, Lex’s mother, on Supergirl. In the interview, when asked about Lillian’s means justifying the end, she said, “That is such a great moral question. Everybody could ask themselves that and come up with a whole slew of different answers. It just goes back to the question of, when is it right to do the wrong thing? That opens up a whole can of worms about good and evil, black and white. Where’s the gray? Ultimately, she isn’t crazy, but she’s definitely committed to the end. It does justify the means for her. Obviously, she’s been willing to sacrifice any kind of personal relationships with this single-minded focus. There are costs for this character to achieve her commitment.” Link:http://www.cbr.com/brenda-strong-talks-supergirl/
- SUPERGIRL: MEHCAD BROOKS COMPARES JAMES OLSEN’S GUARDIAN TO BATMAN (Date: 28 Nov 2016)
During a recent set visit, Brooks told CBR and other reporters that James’ CatCo position has made him more like the Dark Knight. “I kind of liken it to Bruce Wayne, running an enterprise during the day and then at night putting on the sleek black suit and your costume,” he explained. “James in the DC Universe has seen examples of it before, right? He’s never had to do it himself. Yeah, I think he was ready for both of those responsibilities anyway, so now he’s handling it well, but at first not so much.” He also discusses the suit, why James is reluctant to tell Kara, and why he thinks Superman would approve.
- DC TV Crossover Featurette Includes Revealing New Behind The Scenes Footage And Interviews (Date: 28 Nov 2016)
It doesn’t reveal any major details we probably haven’t already heard, but the video still provides a fascinating insight into how this crossover became a reality, and it sounds like a logistical nightmare!
- THE DOMINATORS SET FOR POST-CROSSOVER APPEARANCE ON SUPERGIRL (Date: 28 Nov 2016)
The crossover between four of The CW’s DC Comics-based shows is now unfolding, but no matter the outcome, it’s been confirmed that the alien race at the center of the story will return — later this season on “Supergirl,” though it’s not yet known when or under what context. “This is not the last you’ve seen of The Dominators,” Andrew Kreisberg, an executive producer on “Supergirl,” “The Flash,” “Arrow” and “DC”s Legends of Tomorrow,” told a group of press including CBR during a Q&A Monday at The CW’s Burbank headquarters. “The Dominators will return on ‘Supergirl’ later this season.”
- Supergirl Ratings Soar As Crossover Begins (Date: 29 Nov 2016)
The CW’s four-part “Heroes vs. Aliens” DC Comics television crossover event got off to a solid rating start with this week’s episode of Supergirl. The episode, titled “Medusa,” scored a solid 1.1 rating in the core 18-49 demographic, and was watched by 3.51 million viewers in total. That an uptick from last week’s episode of Supergirl that puts the ratings for “Medusa” on par with the second season premiere of Supergirl.
- THE FLASH: MARK HAMILL, JOHN WESLEY SHIPP RETURN IN NEW PHOTOS (Date: 29 Nov 2016)
In “The Present,” next week’s episode of “The Flash,” Barry Allen will pay a little visit to Jay Garrick (John Wesley Shipp) — and that means crossing over into Earth-3. New photos from the episode reveal a first look at Jay’s world as well as Earth-3’s version of James Jesse (Mark Hamill), better known as the Trickster on Barry’s world.
- THE FLASH HITS SEASON-HIGH RATINGS THANKS TO ARROWVERSE CROSSOVER (Date: 30 Nov 2016)
When the second installment of “Invasion!” arrived on “The Flash”, 4.09m viewers tuned in to see it, making it the show’s most-watched episode since Season 1’s “The Man in the Yellow Suit,” which aired on December 9, 2014. “Invasion!” achieved a 1.2/5 rating in the adults 18-34 demographic and a 1.5/5 in adults 18-49, something the show hasn’t done since last season.
- Matt Ryan Has A Message For Constantine Fans (Date: 24 NOv 2016)
Over the weekend, Ryan appeared at Heroes & Villains Fan Fest, alongside several actors from Arrow and The Flash. ComicBook.com had the chance to catch up with the actor regarding a potential future for his role as Constantine.”Never say never, right?” Ryan said. It was the best he could offer, not knowing whether or not fans should actually expect to see Constantine pop up on television again.He does, however, has a message for those fans.”I’d just like to say ‘Thank you fans for all the support you’ve given me from playing this character. It’s such an iconic role and to have you guys support me is just a fantastic thing so thank you very, very much.”
GREEN ARROW COMICS & TOY NEWS
- X-MEN: GOLD AND BLUE ROSTERS AND CREATIVE TEAMS REVEALED (Date: 28 Nov 2016)
X-Men: Gold will be written by Marc Guggenheim with art by Ardian Syaf. The phase-shifting Kitty Pryde at long-last will become an X-Men team leader, whose squad includes Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Old Man Logan, and Rachel Grey. “Kitty is the right person to bring the X-Men into the future, to herald in the next era of the X-Men,” Guggenheim told us in a phone interview. “We are post the war with the Inhumans. The X-Men are sort of at a crossroads. They’re at a point where they are trying to decide, is there a future for the X-Men? And Kitty is very much of the mindset that there is a future for the X-Men and it’s a bright future.” Guggenheim is best known as co-showrunner and writer on The CW’s Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow and previously worked on the adjectiveless X-Men book in 2014 featuring an all-female cast of characters.
Promo for Next Week’s: Episode – “What We Leave Behind” (Date: 17 Nov 2016)
Episode: “What We Leave Behind” [Season 5 Episode 9]
Air Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016
Summary: PROMETHEUS MAKES A DEADLY MOVE AGAINST OLIVER AND THE TEAM — After Prometheus attacks Curtis (Echo Kellum), Oliver (Stephen Amell) realizes Prometheus knows all of Team Arrow’s secret identities and is planning to come for them one by one. Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) and Detective Malone (guest star Tyler Ritter) discover a clue that links Prometheus to Oliver’s past.
Director: Antonio Negret
Writers: Wendy Mericle & Beth Schwartz
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